Male is a modifier, a word used to describe things that pertain to men. I am a man. Therefore, I, a man, have a male body, and I am a male-bodied person. My uterus, my clit, my soft chest, and my rounded hips are all part of my male body. Of course, other people have different body experiences, and I speak only for my own experience.
I understand that often, people will call me a female-bodied person, because they want to put tags on everyone and fit me back into the box that I was born in. That way, they can call me “he,” but underneath, still think of me in a female category, because that way, they don’t have to deal with my self-determination or the complexity of the way I experience transphobia and misogyny. For some people, they tie bodies and gender so tightly together that to assign my body as female is the only way they can wrap their heads around a man who experiences gender oppression is to label part of him as female. This stance steals self-determination away from the individual, because it assumes that bodiedness is easily observable and definable, and therefore and outside observer can comment on it. Bodies and sexes of course are defined and experienced in such varied ways that to assign anyone’s bodiedness, often referred to as genital sex or biological sex, does a great deal of damage to a lot of people, as it robs us of our bodily autonomy. I do not need to hear about my body or my experiences from anyone else.
Often, people call me female-bodied when they’re addressing my experience of misogyny. Since I was raised as a girl, and I am a non-passing transman, I experience a lot of misogyny. I definitely got sexist street harassment when I lived in Boston. Similarly, people are likely to assume that I don’t know what I want when I go into a bike shop, or when I go dancing, that I’m a follow. Misogyny isn’t fun, but I don’t aspire to take on male privilege. That doesn’t make me a female-bodied person, although it does indicate that people perceive me that way. A more appropriate way to address my experience of sexism is to talk specifically about the experience and what’s going on, rather than to tell me what my body is like. For example, people could express their views of street harassment along with my expressed experience and analysis of being street harassed.
Another reason people try to call me a female-bodied person is in dealing with shared body experiences, like menstruation. In that case, instead of saying “women” or “female-bodied” folks could say “people who menstruate.” That avoids defining people by one biological process. It would also be important to never tell anyone about their own bodies. I experience menstruation, but I can only speak for my own experience, so I would not assume that other people experience the same thing. So, for example, I would not say, “The Diva Cup is great for women,” nor “The Diva Cup is great for female-bodied people.” I would say “The Diva Cup is great for me when I’m on my period, and it might be good for other folks.”
The third reason people assign me as female-bodied is to put me in a category of people who were socialized as girls, based on the way I act or relate to others. It’s true: I do tend to take care of friends and devalue my experiences and needs in comparison with others, at least in part because I was raised as a girl. Although the perception of my body by others led to me being raised as a girl, it is very important that no one tries to teach me about my own experiences. If I locate my learned behavior of devaluing my own thoughts and feelings, I will say those tendencies came out of the systematic devaluation I experienced from being socialized as a girl, not being “female-bodied.” So, if we’re talking about socialization, let’s talk about socialization, but let’s not blame it on bodies, and thus, injure by assigning.
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October 30, 2009 at 10:29 am |
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October 30, 2009 at 3:14 pm |
this got me thinking! i am definitely guilty of using the phrase “female-bodied” to describe others, usually when talking about our shared experiences being socialized female/dealing with misogyny. while i do identify as a female-bodied boy, you made me realize that i probably shouldn’t be labeling other people as such if they don’t self-identify that way! your body is male because you identify it as male.
now, as a personal aside…i wonder how i should describe my sexual orientation? my sexual identify, of course, is queer. but to get more specific, the people i am attracted to tend to be ciswomen and transmasculine folks. usually i say “female-bodied people of all sorts of genders.” but since that is problematic… i suppose “women and transfolks” is more accurate (and also includes transfeminine people/trans women).
also, i think i would say that the street harrassment you and i experience is because people PERCEIVE us as female, not because we are female-bodied.
November 3, 2009 at 3:37 pm |
I miss you like crazy. I created a livejournal just so I could read yours. This is how it begins.
Yeah, I was recently talking to my sister about how sexual orientation is a difficult thing for me to understand, because as far as I know, I don’t actually have one. That is, I’m not oriented toward folks of any particular gender or presentation. I’m oriented away from assholes, but that’s about it.
October 31, 2009 at 5:56 pm |
I really like what you say about the terminology of “female-bodied.” Trans people have been speaking out against that for a while in Olympia. At the Tranny Caucus at Bash Back! we talked about how absurd and offensive it was to try to classify people by bodies when they are hidden behind clothes. We talked about slightly less offensive, but not radical, ways of classifying people. Like saying female-perceived, which recognizes that it is not necessarily true, or saying female-assumed, which recognizes that it is not truth and that it is a total guess. There is nothing radical about describing people based on what their bodies are.
Something else that came up in that caucus that I really liked is the term queer-bodied, which makes a lot of sense to me. I don’t think my body fit into the the male-female dichotomy. My sexuality is queer, my gender is queer, and my body is queer.
November 3, 2009 at 3:46 pm |
I like the term queer-bodied. I think I’m probably queer-bodied and male-bodied.
I didn’t even think about the clothes thing, but it’s a really good point. I think that even when I’m naked, people should not talk about my body like they know what to call me or my parts. I remember a few years ago, my sister and I were getting ready for the solstice bike ride, in a warehouse full of hundreds of naked painted people. She said something about how she couldn’t tell people’s genders, even though everyone was naked. I feel the same way about bodies and sex. Now I’m preaching to the choir, but it really feels heartening to talk to folks who are already on the same side.
I’m not sure on the female-perceived thing. I think Eli’s right, and it’s probably useful for talking about certain experiences. As for me, I try to just use more words and describe the experience, but that does get repetitive.
Also, when I’m talking about hegemonic cultural shit, I’m talking about the cisgender binary, and so it’s about men and women, without the cis- at the front, because that’s part of the dominant paradigm. I don’t know how to write about that cultural structure while not reinforcing the paradigm. It’s tricky how words create reality, and I’m definitely capable of internalized bullshit. It’s good to have folks to talk and think about this stuff with.
November 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm |
good point about not clothing covering bodies. i think “female-perceived” or “female-assumed” is a much better term.
November 1, 2009 at 2:09 pm |
dang, looks like you have been busy thinkin’! interesting stuff…
it made me think of a convo i had with a ciswoman friend o’ mine few years back in response to folks who wanted to move to a genderless society. she was hesitant to lose the terminology for women, feeling like it would be a loss of some notion of universal sisterhood, if you will. i guess im just wonderin when it is appropriate to use the term women/ciswomen.
plz cut me some slack on this naive not well thought out post…ive been reading articles about colloidal silver adsorption for hours and my brain is half-fried.
November 3, 2009 at 3:55 pm |
Hey Reed,
I think it’s totally cool for everyone’s thoughts to not be final, so don’t sweat it. I think these conversations are to think about things together, not necessarily to be distinguished lecturers.
I really don’t like the idea of a genderless society. I really do like the idea of doing away with hierarchies. I think that gender is very important to the way I live my life and the way I interact with others. I also have a lot of problems with the idea of universal sisterhood, because it elides differences in women’s experiences. Transwomen experience different oppressions than ciswomen, and ciswomen experience cisgender privilege as they experience gender oppression. I think that’s where the importance of the distinction is important, but a lot of people have different ideas. Women of color experience different oppressions that intersect with their oppressions as women, as white women experience white privilege. So, I think universal sisterhood is not very useful in describing and addressing different people’s experiences.
Also, I think it’s important, if folks are going to be discussing gender oppression, that they include all women (trans and cis), all other trans folks, genderqueers, and other gender variant folks. There are lots of anti-gender oppression spaces that I feel left out in, which doesn’t make any sense, since I experience a lot of gender oppression.
What do you think?
I’m sorry to hear that grad school is frying your brain. Here’s sending good thoughts and hopes your way!
November 13, 2009 at 2:01 am |
Thanks for this.
I had noticed that I bristled every time I was referred to as “male-bodied” and I never quite could figure out what that was about. It confused me, because even saying that much is an acknowledgement that the person talking recognizes my identity is different from the box I’m often put in (by them? what the heck?)
I never said anything about it to anyone, because I wasn’t sure what bothered me about it. Every time though, inside I was thinking “Thank you… why do I feel yucky?”
November 13, 2009 at 9:26 am |
Hey author,
good stuff. I live in Olympia and am part of organizing Gender Jam. you can read about us at http://olyladiyfest.wordpress.com/
I am putting together a zine of gender-centric writing/ anything you wish were in the Gender Jam program that didn’t fit. Wondering if I can include this piece in the zine or if there is anything else you got in your back pocket that would fit well. Anyone else reading is invited to send me material.
Currently in there-
Greenwash Your Groceries
Fuck Gender Roles Erotica
Court Statements from a 21st Century Witch Hunt
Eco-Feminism in the Global South
write on,
Julianne
November 13, 2009 at 11:50 am |
Hey Julianne,
You’re welcome to use this piece. I feel pretty honored that you’d want to re-print my thoughts. I also have a lot of genderqueer, explicitly consensual literary porn, if you’re interested. I am planning on going to Gender Jam, and would be willing to read some porn as performance pieces, if yall still need people to read.
my email is otter.de.eliconia AT gmail DOT com and I’ll see you next weekend!
<3,
Otr Eliconia
August 9, 2010 at 9:35 am |
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August 13, 2010 at 9:47 am |
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August 13, 2010 at 11:17 pm |
I found this through http://chartreuseflamethrower.wordpress.com/ and I have to say, WOW! what a GREAT post! I recently realized how offensive and close minded I have been, when I thought I had been nice, and open-minded. Thank you for the post!
September 11, 2010 at 1:53 pm |
I really love this post and I’ve been putting up a site for trans people who aren’t medically transitioning. (http://nonop.zxq.net/index.html) Would you mind if I put this on there with credit or link to it?
September 11, 2010 at 6:54 pm |
Thanks so much! Yeah, please feel welcome to put this on there with a link, if you like.
September 12, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I put it here, please let me know if you have anything you want me to change about it: http://nonop.zxq.net/body.html (it’s linked from the “What a Male-Bodied Person Looks Like” in the navigation)
October 21, 2010 at 3:34 pm |
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November 12, 2010 at 11:29 am |
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November 12, 2010 at 11:30 am |
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January 5, 2011 at 5:39 am |
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October 19, 2011 at 7:18 am |
As a cis-male presenting transwoman, reading this fit my life perfectly. Thank you for expressing what I’ve been trying to figure out for awhile now; my body has a penis and I have testosterone, but it is still a female body.
October 22, 2011 at 11:03 am |
This is fantastically written. Thank you for sharing! You’ve raised very important points about language that too many of us take for granted.